8 - The Family Meeting
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August 18th, 2006 at 8:27 am
Four Eyed Monsters Episode 8: Honest, profound, memorable, well-done. Bring on
Episode 9!
August 18th, 2006 at 10:48 am
Artistic expression is no stranger to me. Though I am now enveloped in the business world, the art is still
within. As an Art Major I often participated in collaborative efforts and understand the dynamics of various
egos. Still, I cannot help but watch these episodes and use my left brain to evaluate these problems. It looks
like half of your cast and crew have their heads on straight but then you have the whiny bitches that cause
the problems. Would we have ever known these people if it weren’t for you? Maybe, but not at this point. It is
clear that you are under appreciated and I sometimes want to come through the screen and wring some necks.
As for ending this episode with a possible relationship problem concerning Susan, I think you are just going to
see more outcry. But this time it will be from your fans. I don’t suppose we expect the two of you will be
together forever but this still sucks. I (and likely many other fans) am disappointed BIG TIME. I guess since
this posted, Aaron knows about it and presumably you’ve worked through it. Nice cliffhanger and all but I would
have watched episode 9 anyway.
I suppose you never set out to be anything but real. So I will give you props for continuing to be so honest.
I just feel personally let down by Susan’s immaturity and feel for Aaron. You mention a connection to your
audience unlike ever expected. So maybe this is why I’m pissed. Goal accomplished.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:32 pm
I think “TheEdge” summed it up pretty well. What a frustrating episode. Likewise I appreciate your honesty and desire to rope the audience in (you have enraptured me every episode and have subscribed). But following this episode, I have formed quite the distaste for Susan. I have yet to see the movie, and am still waiting for it to come to my city (Cincinnati). For now, I will try my hardest to believe that this part of the story is being done for dramatic intent and hold off any judgment till I can see episode 9 and/or getting to view the actual movie. But damn, in my book that is pretty damn well near inexcusable.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:40 pm
I really like your podcasts. They make me feel… like i am suppost to. Like myself. No one else.
I am my own person, and im glad to see someone else does not change for anyone either.
although
im not sure i liked how Susan acted in this last episode
August 19th, 2006 at 3:03 am
You have enough advice coming from all directions so instead of advice, i will leave you a note of hopefully wishes for the best outcome for each of you amazing artists. Something this beautiful and real holds such passion and emotions i am not surprised at the surges of energy between each other and yourselves. I thank you for sharing your lives with your fans and again i wish you the best of outcomes whatever they may be. Everything and anything can be overcome and with your passions i know that in the end something incredibly beautiful will come out of all of this.
Best wishes,
Derek
myspace.com/sven7777
August 19th, 2006 at 11:31 am
God, I love you guys. Every episode you guys do is fucking amazing, keep it up.
August 20th, 2006 at 1:28 am
all that crying and melodrama was so over the top…you guys should have just killed the actors and buried their bodies. DUH
August 20th, 2006 at 10:05 am
These podcasts are incredible, Susan, Arin, this is a fascinating and raw look into your lives. It’s incredible for you both to live in such a public eye together. There’s no doubt that you’d feel trapped in these situations. Frustration is normal. Just know that good people are hard to come by, hard to connect to. Know who has helped you, loved you, guided you, supported you.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:20 am
It makes me crazy. I feel like a laguna beach addict. uggg.
August 21st, 2006 at 2:24 pm
Three words: Best episode yet!
August 21st, 2006 at 5:57 pm
Every episode is better than the last. These podcasts fascinate me, and I find myself logging into my myspace account everyday to
see if the next episode is available yet. I am shocked that Susan kissed another guy. I am dissapointed too.
August 21st, 2006 at 11:51 pm
wow!!! well i know what u guys feel im in the same bizz and no matter how much u think ur a team everyone always thinks their gettin’ the short end of the stick and then it fucks the project all up . hang in there u guys!!! u guys make me realize thru ur podcasts that everyone goes thru this shit . thanx for letting me know that im not alone . i will be watching and prayin’ that things will work out for the best . good luck guys and remember u guys are artist doesn’t matter what anyone else fuckin’ thinks.
August 22nd, 2006 at 7:46 am
So, so intense. I’m almost crying too.
Seriously guys, when life is this emotional, how could you doubt that this film will be anything but spectacular.
As for the conflict in this episode, I think that not just the actors are part of the process. I feel like this is one of the very, very few films in which the audience can feel themselves contributing too, just by watching the podcasts, leaving comments and videos.
Good luck with episode 9 and everything, and take care of yourselves too
xxxxx
August 22nd, 2006 at 9:57 am
Dear Susan and Arin, It is a rare thing to find someone to share your life with, who “gets” you. You seemed happy with each other. Don’t wreck it. F*** the movie; art is not worth it. Life and love are more important than art. Keep the focus on your happiness, and good luck!
August 22nd, 2006 at 1:38 pm
You guys fucking rock. I say that in the most sober of voices. I always sit back in my chair speechless after watching one of your podcasts…I think to myself,”Damn…that was so real…or was it? I don’t know, but why isn’t it on MTV or Showtime or something?” Yeah, that’s what I sit there thinking…and that I hope you keep going. Your work deserves to be seen in this art-hungry world.
-Alejandro
August 24th, 2006 at 2:21 am
happy b-day susan!!!!
this first part i feel is more for susan: don’t let these bastards make you feel guilty for the kiss. from what you say and the emotion that comes across, you needed someone to understand, and it doesn’t seem like arin is able to do that right now. these guys like Brad, are fucking w/ his head and heart. he’s consumed it seems like anyway, I think he’s forgotten who his muse is, the whole reason for doing this in the first place. he’s doing it for you right? and you’re doing it for him. you aren’t doing this for brad or any of these other…bastards? life sucking remoras? i’m not sure what to call them w/o being offensive, or atleast my most offensive. if you give them a chance they’ll destroy the movie and the 2 of you along w/ it. get arin to listen i’m sure you can do it.
for arin: don’t let them take the movie you were brave for speaking your heart and mind about how you took from them, but as i understand it, isn’t that bastard w/ the scarfs a teacher? isn’t he supposed to give the gift of knowledge? you already had the talent, he just showed you and thats truelly precious, but he didn’t give you your talent, he didn’t give you the story. they talk about being raped, but i think you and susan are the ones get fucked. I’ve watched a few of those actor interviews from movie press junkets. and sometimes the actors talk about how they enjoy the input that directors let them give. i’m not entirely sure how this is much different than that, other than your amateur actors don’t know that they’ll get all the fame and fortune they deserve from this(and the balance on that account is shrinking pretty damn quick). you’ve done a good job of trying to make them resemble humans in the podcast, bravo.
to wrap things up though. you guys are startin’ to scare me a little. every podcast makes me think that the next might not show up. in this day and age, its so easy for a project like this to just disapear, and then a year from now people will say, “hmm what happened to that 4 eyed thing?” and then you’ll be on ‘where are they now?’ on vh1, and we all know how depressing that show is.
-cody z
August 24th, 2006 at 2:33 am
Your film is about a deep connection and relationship that you two intially had formed without words, but with emails, writing, and physical communication and expression. Now, what does Susan kissing another manwith speak to you, Arin? Was this just her Birthday present to herself?!It was truly heartbreaking for me… I guess that I was in an altered reality in believing that you two had found something special. Maybe you did, but lost it?! It seems like Susan is a spoiled brat that is used to getting everything she wants without having to work for it. Then, she despises Arin just because he actually expects her to work on their project! Arin, I know you must be devastated, but do not stay with her just to promote the film or save face. If she is unhappy enough to kiss another guy when your film is just being released and desperately needs promoted, then who is to say what heartbreak lies ahead. Arin, run, don’t walk, away from this situation! Keep it as strictly business in order to avoid more hurt. You should let her know that you will not stand for the blatant display of immoral and treacherous behavior. I say keep on promoting the film, because what you had may still be a moment in time worth cherishing and revealing to the public’s eye. This error of judgement on Susan’s part will not hold well with your fans, i am afraid….
August 24th, 2006 at 2:07 pm
Wow, This episode was amazing. I dont have a strong opinion about what Susan did, but it was a great cliff hanger. I think a kiss is def. excusable. I dont understand why people are so upset about the kiss. I was surprised though…
Keep doing what your doing!
August 24th, 2006 at 3:45 pm
hold on a second here…i have known susan and arin since they got together, and susan even longer. i can safely say that they both are one of the most open-hearted and hard-working people i know. to all the people who are commenting on susan’s kiss: where have you all been? don’t you realize that all these episodes happened well over a year ago? now in the case of the actual kiss, sure, its not advisable, its frowned upon, and it can hurt other people’s feelings. but it was a harmless kiss, situated in a time of upheaval, uncertainty, chaos, fueled by anger and disappointment. of course, its a different story if went further than that, but it didn’t. some may say it was a childish response to feelings that she couldn’t deal with. sadly, i must agree, but it does not discredit the endeavors and miles upon miles that susan AND arin have travelled together so far. they were able to work it out in a mature way and have moved beyond it together. they even were able to share a difficult topic with the rest of you. i feel that the kiss goes beyond what any of you are saying, and that none of you are getting it. the kiss, in so many ways, was a metaphor of what was happening to their relationship at that time, the constant fighting and the tug of war. the act of (mis)communication, by digressing to actions that are not progressive. that one must remember that once that happens, and it does happen since we all are human, to step past it, learn from it, and move on. that is what they have done. to discredit susan and the work she has done is foolish. you are only mocking yourself. have you not felt the downtrodden and wasted feelings of giving so much blood sweat and tears into a project and half way done you feel like trashing all of it because of our humanistic tendencies to be apathetic and feel discouraged??? the frustrated child who stomps all over their crumbling sand castle because your sister’s is better???
as to candiecane remarking that arin should leave her…honestly, do you really believe that? and who are you? why would you even say that, knowing well that your suggestions are fueled by your own experiences? it holds no water here. susan and arin have become so much closer since our trip to slamdance, their work and their life is more concrete than you can imagine.
so please, commenting is good, its network neutrality after all, but let’s be constructive, not destructive.
August 24th, 2006 at 6:23 pm
Yeah, ok…It might very well have been a year ago, but a kiss is cheating in my book. I think that anyone who parttakes in such a deceitful and harmful path does not deserve such such quick forgiveness from her fans. I hope that further episodes with prove that she is not so self-centered. I mean, this whole film is supposed to be about communication. Well, talk about a melt down…If she felt this way, then she should have broke up with him first, and not cheatted on him and said fuck it! Yeah, it may have happened a year ago, and they m,ay have worked passed it, but it will do unrepairable harm to the film and its fans views about the union between Arin and Susan. Also, if this is just a so-called cliff hanger for us to see what happens next, it was not a very clever idea as I think it may cause a loss of interest in the film.
August 24th, 2006 at 7:01 pm
Oh, yeah, and it may have happened a year ago, but it is still news to us that aren’t in the “inner circle” of their broadcasted relationship. I thought that the idea of a film is to connect with your audience. We have every right as fans to express of grief without being accused of acting out of our own personal experiences. That was silly to say anyways, since most people watch and read things that they personally connect with on an internal basis, regardless of if they have or have not experienced it themselves. I am sure that a person that has never even had a relationship would be disappointed with the “recently broadcasted news” in the last episode. I know that my previoous post may have been harsh, but I just believe in truth, honesty, and commitment. I am not going to sugar coat my feelings when it comes to this type of destructive behavior. If it was not to be commented on, and this relationship is between them tow, then it should not have been made public…
August 24th, 2006 at 7:05 pm
Please forgive my spelling as my spell checker is not working right now…:(
August 24th, 2006 at 7:26 pm
seriously? here is my rebuttal: 1) yes, it is “cheating” and i did not deny that it is a hurtful action towards arin. 2) susan obviously disclosed such information with arin, they have discussed it, and they are still together (as far as the world can tell). she could have easily kept it a secret and let it fester in her soul for the rest of eternity but she didn’t. she was honest and upfront about her mistake. but who knows? maybe she didn’t tell him for a long time. we will have to see in ep 9. point aside, she told him. 3) i don’t think it will do harm to the project. i believe that it is a good ending to ep 8. the precursor to ep 9. don’t forget that four eyed monsters and the podcasts are all about communication and being HUMAN and the need for other humans. that this honesty being portrayed through out the film and podcasts is genuine, that being human is genuine, and our human flaws are all genuine and part of the package. i think that the fem audience will connect with this element in such a way that the viewership will, at the very least, make all the fans die harder, if not increase it. sure, many fans feel that susan’s and arin’s union is THE four eyed monster of all time (and the internet), but one must remember that they are also HUMAN and humans have FLAWS. we make mistakes. that’s why we invented computers to do things without mistakes (which still happens since they are direct extensions of humans). why else do we make the things we make? to express all these feelings of treachery, anger, disappointment, sadness, joy, elation, enlightenment, the whole nine.
in conclusion, yes, it will effect the fans’ views of their union, only in that it is realistic and flawed, for not one relationship anywhere (human to human that is) is absolutely, completely, “zen”-fully, perfect. they have shown the world that they are not the media stars that exist in unrealistic soap operas (which only exist in our minds people!). that they are just like you and me.
further, i feel that they are very clever and that it is quite the cliffhanger. who knows what happens, maybe they did break up and they’ve been putting us on all this time. or maybe they aloped. or maybe they took half of one’s heart and surgically joined it with the other’s half.
who knows. we’ll have to see…
August 24th, 2006 at 7:43 pm
like i said in my first rebuttal, commenting is good, everyone has the right to express their feelings. sure it is okay to say “if it were me, then i would have…” but to suggest things to arin that is more destructive than susan’s kiss is un called for. what they decide to do, what they are going to do, well, is their business. and at some point in the near future, will be the rest of the world’s business once the episode is released.
August 25th, 2006 at 12:18 am
bravo joseph you’re right, people shouldn’t press their own experiences onto whats going on in FEM. thanks for clarifying the timescale for us on this. I knew this wasn’t happening realtime of course, but i was wondering how far back this went. this is making me analyze my own relationships more. I feel a connection to arin & susan, in that i’ve been in both positions. the avoider like arin, and ignored like susan. to show both sides in the same relationship, is an eye opener. its made me think about something. where’s the line between changing for those we love and finding those who love us for who we are? these 2 decided to explore new ways to say how they love one another, so they’ve changed for each other. does this bare more soul or does it change the soul? we’ll have to wait and see.
BTW i tried to leave a voice msg…and it went terribly, i suppose i feel more comfortable typing these things out.
August 25th, 2006 at 5:01 pm
thank you cody. and bravo to you as well. i want to second what cody is saying too. susan’s kiss isn’t completely her fault either. i believe that part of susan’s frustrations was partly due to arin’s avoidance of her needs in the relationship. or both of their needs. i think that whatever transpired in ep 8 is due to both susan and arin trying to find themselves and one another in the relationship, as well as in the project, and not finding it or missing it, which causes certain actions due to frustration and disappointment. it is not solely her fault, it is their’s together, as well as the idiot actors stressing them out in a stressful time. so to all the susan-haters out there…get real.
“does this bare more soul or does it change the soul?” well put, cody.
we will see what happens soon enough…goddess-speed to episode 9!!!
August 25th, 2006 at 8:20 pm
as someone who watched these podcasts religiously.. and tells all her friends to request showings.. so she can see the film that she has been waiting for.. for what seems like FOREVER.. i feel like i know these two people.. i feel like i know them and they are my friends.. and they are close to me because i get to see all these emotional heart felt podcasts that put us right in the middle of their lives. their.. real. lives. its like talking with friends.. about their feelings.. and crying.. and laughing.. and just feeling close.
to judge susan isnt right. you shouldnt judge anyone. she kissed someone else.. for her own reasons. people make mistakes.. and things happen for a reason.. to say fuck art.. and fuck the film is rediculous.. they have come this far.. focused their lives on making a movie that shows THE WORLD there innermost thoughts and feelings.. their intimate relationship.. is available for all to see. and its beautiful. and real. and honest. that is life. that is art. relationships are hard.. living is usually pretty difficult.. but having yourself posted on the internet.. letting people pick apart your art.. and your life.. is probably the hardest thing i could imagine.
in short.. beautiful episode. thank you for everything you have done.. and continue to do.. i will keep the word out and tell who ever i meet to request it.. i have to see this film.. or i will explode.
LOVE!
September 5th, 2006 at 7:20 pm
Really liked the drawings in the episode whoever did them is very talented. Didn’t catch the name of the other featured band/artist (Michael Fleiss?). Please post link to his music if availble. Thank you.
September 6th, 2006 at 9:15 am
hi guys. months ago i casually found episode 2 on youtube or something. i’m following you since then. is there any possibility to watch the movie here in Milan, Italy? what can i do to help you out of it?
September 7th, 2006 at 3:52 pm
I really thought this video was wonderful. I really like that it’s filmed in winter and the vrying and snowball throwing. Next time use some punk rock maybe or Bright Eyes would be cool.peace,love,happiness,art.
-Edward P.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:27 pm
Hey guys
It was really lovely to see you both in Boston, and I’m heading over to your screening tomorrow night, (which is exciting!) but I thought I’d toss in my two cents after seeing your last podcast. I am really impressed with the level of humor and sophistication balanced with such a sensitivity toward thoughts and feelings. And, of course, it’s never easy to always put the truth out there without having feelings get hurt. I went through a similar “kiss” scenario, and although it caused a terrible wound, wounds heal. In response to his betrayal, I lashed out a little, (both in life and in my art), and I made this video during that time to exorcise my demons.
music by the incredibly amazing Prefuse 73
Thankfully, nothing is permanent, and sadness can be replaced with happiness and love. Hooray for that
So, whatever. Shit happens. I hope you guys are ok afterall
hope to see you soon,
Annaliese
October 1st, 2006 at 10:18 am
Guys,
is this what a bit of success is all about? As a film maker I have to tell you it scares me a little and as
an artist that is kind of cool… But what really is your goal? Are you achieving that? And at what cost?
Are you loving this or are you just in too deep? I love the podcasts for the reality of how I can relate to
similar situations, but where is it going and would you still be doing it if you knew the outcome?
November 4th, 2006 at 11:48 pm
Buon luogo, congratulazioni, il mio amico!
January 5th, 2007 at 3:27 am
this is my sixth time watching this episode.
it is without a doubt the best yet.
i am on the edge of my seat for the next one.
February 1st, 2007 at 2:08 pm
thank you for being so genuine with us. i was so deeply affected and moved the first time i saw your episodes. i have been hooked ever since. it is these levels of honesty you you share with us that keep us loyal fans. i can relate to practically everyone’s side in episode 8. I’m Waiting on the EDGE OF MY SEAT for number 9.
May 2nd, 2007 at 4:30 pm
Hi guys sorry this is all seeming so hard on you. Relationships are all about ebb and flow so I do not think the kiss means any more than a kiss means. I am more concerned about how the infighting of the people involved have seemed to make you two loose some focus on why you did make it in the first place. We create in order to make our souls bigger. Period. If it is all about product or sucess you have already destroyed the purity of the art piece itself. I think you know that in your hearts but have let the buzz around it all make you loose sight of that. Good luck to you in this life lesson. I hope you all end up well.
May 27th, 2007 at 1:26 pm
I’ve been on and off following your episodes for awhile now (I think I found your profile on myspace last summer) and one thing that I think is really great is that you generate so much discussion from other people. The episodes are honest and real, and you are both very brave for putting this up to public opinion/scrutiny. The whole relationship situation is something that it’s easy for me to sit back and say “don’t worry about it” but if it were happening to me, I’d probably feel differently. Sometimes when under extreme stress we look for an escape just for a moment to feel like things are better, even if it is brief, so keep that in mind.
As for the situation with the actors/actresses, it’s difficult because there are some personal ties there. While the actors have made contributions towards the film, not everyone can have a piece of the pie as far as claiming that they’re directors. It would be like a graphic designer taking credit for the financial success of a company when all they’ve done is design a logo and masthead.
I’d have to disagree a little bit with Matt B as far as why we create. Sometimes we create to share our passion/art/love with the world, often other times we create out of necessity to survive. Sounds a bit dramatic but I believe that it’s true for myself at this point in my life.
Don’t lose sight of what you want to accomplish. Sure you have the general outcry of us (the peanut gallery) but in the end it is up to you to create your art the way that you know best.
May 27th, 2007 at 1:27 pm
P.S. Will the film be showing in Chicago again anytime soon?
June 10th, 2007 at 1:49 am
i don’t know. i was really into the movie and then i started watching “the making of” on this website and then when i got to episode 8, it kinda started to remind me of like, dvd extras. you know, all that crap that’s done to give credit where credit’s due, etc. etc. it’s kinda like showing someone your family vacation video; no one likes it but you. i feel like all this stuff on this site is about process and directors and credit, and it all just got so whiney and dramatic and that’s when i started to lose interest. give credit where it’s due, but no need to air the dirty laundry - no one wants to watch it except the people that are being filmed. great movie though. i really liked it. and yes, as if you can’t tell, i’m not the arty type. ;0
June 11th, 2007 at 1:02 pm
Four Eyed Monsters (*** 1/2)…
Not a review, but a link to Arin Crumley and Susan Buice’s sweet, restless, strangely charming movie, on YouTube for the rest of the week. | | |……
June 12th, 2007 at 1:30 am
I wanted to suggest that instead of directing/writing credits for the actors, perhaps you could think of it as creative assistance and acting coaching. I wonder if part of the problem is that you are looking at the project as a standard movie project. It was not. I wonder if simply being honest about what actually happened would be easier. What you shared with the acting studio coach was more than simply an actor-director relationship. It was not necessarily a friend relationship; but it was a deeper connection. He felt that. You felt it too.
In addition even in standard movies, the actors and directors do become friends.
I think the episodes so far do the deeper relatonship justice, but some anger does come across so far. Yes you are amateurs. Yes you are not standard writer/directors. Yes it is your film. Yes you got lots of help from your friends.I wonder if this episode is helpful for all the actors involved to see.
June 25th, 2007 at 2:10 pm
I so wanted you guys to work things out, and now seeing that things are prolly on their final straw, it breaks my heart. I think you both are so talented and I wish that you could have learned to put each other over the movie. But all in all you guys have done a spectacular job and Im always looking forward to seeing something you’ve two have made.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:48 pm
Great film! But at what cost? You both found each other through artictic medium, and look like you will loose each other through the hype of promotion and thinking about the movie over each other. Loved the pod casts until the last of this one. The kiss showed that your relationship is based on business and there is no loyalty. Spend time together, away from the confines of prmotion and the film, get to know each other again. If the next episode goes further with this guy you met at the bar, im done watching. I would love to see you both go in a positive direction in your relationship rather than create another soap opera, we have plenty of those.
July 14th, 2007 at 11:03 pm
I have been totally sucked into this brilliant, post modern melodrama!
But I have a bit of a hard time understanding what all the hulabaloo is about concerning the director credit thing: what’s so difficult about sharing the credit? And in this of all projects!
My lack of understanding may have something to do with my background as a musician. Often times, a band’s producer credits (music producer is pretty much plays the same role as film director) and writer credits are often shared by the band/artist/project - even if there’s not a tangible, easily definable reason to do so. In my view, this kind of credit sharing takes nothing away fromt the principle creater/writer/director/editor(s).
I’d go further and say that in light of the paradigm-busting nature of the four-eyed project, director credit-sharing sounds like exactly the right thing to do. It’s very progressive, very forward thinking, and in keeping with the collaborative nature of the project (kinda like how some of the best bands work!)
Seriously, what’s the big fuckin deal? Give them the credit. Give it easily and know that doing so does not take anything away from you. Everybody knows it’s about the 2 of you, everyone knows you 2 are the reason for the whole thing. Sharing the credit with them takes absolutely NOTHING away from that.
(revenue sharing is a whole other ball of wax - won’t get into that now
August 15th, 2007 at 10:44 pm
I just finished watching the movie, and all the episodes, and all I can say is…i feel
for you guys. I really feel like crying. I just watched all this effort go into a relationship
and then at the end, it was like both of you just gave up on it. Isn’t this whole thing about
your relationship? I can’t imagine putting so much work and stress and emotion into a project
and then just letting the whole idea and concept of it slip away. From watching the episodes
it really seems like that’s what you’ve both done. It’s like all your hard work was for nothing
It was so beautiful, and then at the end, so sad. But I guess that’s just how life is,
sometimes you have something so beautiful, but then life comes into focous and takes the
beauty of it away. What you’ve guys have created is a beautiful thing. I wish you guy luck.
August 16th, 2007 at 2:55 am
Go Susan!!! Arin was so totally wrapped up in himself and the film that he failed to notice that you had needs too. Emotional and let’s just say other needs that needed to be fulfilled. I don’t think that anybody should make you feel bad for that kiss. Even if you do stay together, which I sincerely hope you do, that kiss will mean nothing in the grand scheme of things. And as for those actors…fuck them! You literally lived in a fish bowl forever and sacrificed your personal relationship for this film. You truly deserve all of the credit. It was the first independent film that I’ve ever become addicted to. It’s just so raw and easy to identify with. I laughed, I cried, I pretty much did the whole bit.
August 16th, 2007 at 7:50 am
there is no way i could read all of your previous comments in order to make sure i said something profound…so i
simply just want to say that you guys are so courageous and i appreciate that. I have really enjoyed watching your
movie and episodes and I have learned a lot. Thanks
bre,
from seattle
October 31st, 2007 at 11:08 pm
I think the film and the whole experiment was a beautiful piece of art. It’s an inspiration for us starving artists… Specially us 4th world country artist… Wich usually starve a little more
I think the last podcast introduced a key issue. Can we like or love many people at the same time? Do this people understanding what is like? Maybe I’m misstaken, but I think 9 is going there…
Well, I know this screenings will never reach home, but I’ll do my best to spread the word. In Caracas, Venezuela there’s a lot people doing wonderfull art, music, film, and hopefully our political depression will bring out the best of our suffering.
Don’t lose it. Keep it real.
Peace and love
Nyopo
November 29th, 2007 at 7:21 pm
I have become addicted with your process of creating this film, it has given me a greater understanding of you film in general. Please keep the podcasts coming i know you must be busy and hope that your dreams for this movie are coming true. you two are a true inspiration for me (a film student), even through your hardships. I hope all is well and you rise above the crap
January 10th, 2008 at 3:38 am
Ok, I watched the movie then I watched the episodes.
You guys are fucking brilliant! By episode eight I finally got it and I am laughing so hard at myself right now.
Thanks